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[rustynutz]

Is it not time that we as British citizens took notice of the death penalty ,and reinstated it into our laws.

With Stuart Hazzel being the latest to be charged with killing a child in cold blood , and with the ever increasing rate of murders in this country surly it is time to stop the rot dead in it's tracks . If the ultimate penalty was back on the law books this would imo after a very short while make a significant drop in these types of crimes .

I am old enough to have been born when it was removed from the statute books  in 1969 although i cannot remember any of those cases way back then the last being in 1964.

Now several say it does nothing to diminish the murder rates, it would @ least make them think twice

Cost of keeping someone inside for 25 years has to be considerably more than 10 secs on a rope .

I for 1 although older than many on here am sick , and tired of the namby, pamby, bullshitting,cardigan wearing , full of excuses , university trained , psychoanalysts who live in a pampered world of evening suits , and cocktail making excuses of poor upbringing ,. abuse as a child, or not getting the right coloured play station for xmas aged 10 for these murders .  

They are incurable, they killed, they deserve to die for there crimes , and it's time some politician somewhere grew a pair of balls ,and said so . If we are 100% sure then hang em high , and i for 1 would pull the rope , and walk away with a clear conscience.

[Jim]

Not many I suspect would disagree with any of that tbh.

Eye for an eye!

[TanserMan]

Rapists, Peados, murderers, drug dealers, repeat offenders and those who beat up old people... should all face the death penalty.

Forget the EU and this PC Britain... we should be looking after our best interests but yet we harbour and shadow these people in secrecy rather then making it deplorable. You only have to look at youths at the moment my age and below... hanging around on streets, smoking pot and robbing people they don't know.

If there was a line, these people would not cross is, but as a result innocent children, mother and fathers will continue to die instead.

If only we had an island we could harbour all these sick twisted people on and let them kill and maim each other instead of innocent lovely individuals.

[TanserMan]

Saying that, some idiot on Newsnight the other day would rather see junkies put behind bars where drugs are openly available and costing the taxpayer in the process... rather then bringing back a regional penalty or preventative measures.

This is why England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales will always have these idiots.

[JerryAV]

Agreed. A more severe punishment these days may not stop it but it will damn well lower the rates I reckon.

[Villain]

This day in age where everyone has "human rights" even terrorists, rapists and whatever else the death penalty will never see a return imo. In the most extremem cases theres definitely an argument for it although saying that countries like america still have it and i dont think it makes a lot of difference to their crime rate.

[Butler]

I'd see it back for murderers only. My main problem is that prisons are too soft. My dad's mate's just come out from a 5 year stretch, and he said it was nice in there, and that they had nice food and sky tv. They should be locked up in cold, dank cells, and the food should be the cheapest it possibly can be, not fine dining.

[Tomy]

I only agree in part that the death penalty in this country should be reintroduced. However it should only be used when it is proved 100% that the culprit is to blame for the crime that has been committed. Also what about past examples where people have been pressured into admitting to crimes they did not commit? This is a path that needs to be explored very carefully IMO.

[cgale_825]

Hmm. cardigans & evening suits  now that`s an interesting concept , but it does show just how polarised some sections of society are from others .And no it`s not an attack on the starting post but rather a reflection on society in the UK and how some sections of society view others , yet have very little  real knowledge of the other , as the idea of your average NIMBY wearing an evening suit is far from the truth as they are more likely to be seen supping "real ale "  and smoking pot !
The problem is that those much despised wearers of evening suits , are much likely to have their ears bent by such NIMBY`s than the average man or woman in the street , even though many of those who might get things sorted would much prefer a honest conversation ,than have have their  ears filled with prattle from NIMBY`s
As for the death penalty  there will always be the case of Evans the man who was executed for anothers crime  quoted in the case for not re-introducing it
But certainly we need tougher laws or rather perhaps all we need is law reform and stiffer sentencing  so that life imprisonment means that , and not just being locked up in a comfy hotel !

[rustynutz]

cgale_825, on 12 August 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Hmm. cardigans & evening suits  now that`s an interesting concept , but it does show just how polarised some sections of society are from others .And no it`s not an attack on the starting post but rather a reflection on society in the UK and how some sections of society view others , yet have very little  real knowledge of the other , as the idea of your average NIMBY wearing an evening suit is far from the truth as they are more likely to be seen supping "real ale "  and smoking pot !
The problem is that those much despised wearers of evening suits , are much likely to have their ears bent by such NIMBY`s than the average man or woman in the street , even though many of those who might get things sorted would much prefer a honest conversation ,than have have their  ears filled with prattle from NIMBY`s
As for the death penalty  there will always be the case of Evans the man who was executed for anothers crime  quoted in the case for not re-introducing it
But certainly we need tougher laws or rather perhaps all we need is law reform and stiffer sentencing  so that life imprisonment means that , and not just being locked up in a comfy hotel !

Polarised sections i assume that is an attack on myself , and tbh i ain't bothered. Ask a poll not of those university taught few, the few who are groomed to be politicians from an early age, the few that are born with a silver spoon in there mouths , the few that the real world doesn't ever touch because they are so removed from the real world .

Rather a few who live on the council estates , who worry sick everytime there child walks out of the door, the few who work , and get there hands dirty, the few who have to live in reality not in a cotton wool covered world ,

Ask Holly  Wells, Jessica Chapman's parents if there child was given a choice of life in prison , or being tortured and killed by a sick son of a beeeatch , ask the parent's of James Bulger, ask the parents of Brady, and Hinkleys victems, ask the family of baby p killers one of who was his mother ffs. Ask the current case of Tia's family these are all except Tia's case nailed on murdering bastards one and all . You would prefer life in prison for these animals eye for an eye when 100% guaranteed guilty hang the bastrds high for all to see .

[cgale_825]

rustynutz, on 12 August 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Polarised sections i assume that is an attack on myself , and tbh i ain't bothered.

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Ask a poll not of those university taught few, the few who are groomed to be politicians from an early age, the few that are born with a silver spoon in there mouths , the few that the real world doesn't ever touch because they are so removed from the real world

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Rather a few who live on the council estates , who worry sick everytime there child walks out of the door, the few who work , and get there hands dirty, the few who have to live in reality not in a cotton wool covered world ,

Ask Holly  Wells, Jessica Chapman's parents if there child was given a choice of life in prison , or being tortured and killed by a sick son of a beeeatch , ask the parent's of James Bulger, ask the parents of Brady, and Hinkleys victems, ask the family of baby p killers one of who was his mother ffs. Ask the current case of Tia's family these are all except Tia's case nailed on murdering bastards one and all . You would prefer life in prison for these animals eye for an eye when 100% guaranteed guilty hang the bastrds high for all to see .

NO Rusty it was NOT an attack on you but rather an attack on society as a whole that confusion over such such stereotypes could exist ! Or even be allowed to exist
Almost certainly Tow will be able to tell of how much easier it was to solve  many of the social problems that now require the services of the never available ,when you want them ,social workers or their Ilke . And for the most part your description of those NIMBY`s causing much of the current woes  is correct , but linking them with the social elite is a mistake , as whilest they would aspire to their wealth  , many of them despise those who have it !

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the few who are groomed to be politicians from an early age, the few that are born with a silver spoon in there mouths , the few that the real world doesn't ever touch because they are so removed from the real world

save your political rants for those who will not  listen ! Because you are wrong , the ones born with the silver spoons might be sheltered  far from reality but many would change things if they could , but 1st they have to fight off the prattle from middle class would be`s & the ranting of those educated few from the social poorer classes who are more interested in political warfare than improoving the lives of those you descibe !

  As for state murder which is what your asking for ------- do you really think it would  make the victims  relatives lives any happier ?

Would it  really have prevented Jamie Boulangers death ? ---------------- I certainly do not !
a few who live on the council estates , who worry sick everytime there child walks out of the door  only that few ?  So you think only the poor live on the estates , if so perhaps you should open your eyes a little more , because poverty is probably greater than you think it is !
May be life is tough @ present , and yes there are those who wear their wealth as badges of honour  but there will always be rich & poor as such is the nature of mankind , but after ?15 years of a Socialist Government the gap between rich & poor is greater now than for a very long time !
But how does one close that gap ?  As  all taking from the rich and giving to the poor does is continue the "give me culture "which is the root cause of many of the problems on the "estates"  . But that`s not saying poverty does not cause problems , because it does !
But what is poverty ?
But perhaps that`s best answered by my experience of time spent on the childrens Orthopaedic  ward @ Oswestry and it was easy to tell which childrens families were on the social by their large toys, all day visiting by their families & the crumpled up £1 notes left in lockers after they left , and then there were those children who had few if any toys & whose parents might visit once a week as that was all they could afford
Yes as the £1 notes indicate it was some time ago , and perhaps those on the social get a little less , but has things changed that much ?
    Poverty alone does not  cause  the likes of the Boulanger killers , but social attitudes do , and for things to improove attitudes have to change
Of course the state has a part to play but the state alone can not change things for the better as that is the responsibility of ALL sections of society

[towbartone]

As someone who has been on the front line so to speak I can name at least a dozen people who i would happily have rid the world of.

In yesterdays time maybe it was a bit risky to top a lot of people as history has proven them innocent.

However in todays high tech age it can be proven without any doubt that the person did commit the crime, in fact the criminal protection society (CPS) as they known in the force will not take a case to court unless you have over proven it.

Life should always have meant life and did until the youghurt knitters got their way, and that is the crux of the matter, the liberalists get what they want and always have a further agenda lined up, once they got rid of the death penalty they went for the life sentence being cut, 20 years, 20 years is not life, if you are 18 you will be out before you are 38 thats not life.

would I bring it back, I would volunteer to put the noose on and pull the leaver.

Anyone who says that we should not go back and its barbaric should spend five minutes in the company of those who have lost someone in this way, it not only takes one life but invariably ruins several more in the process.

It costs on average 80 thousand pounds to keep one of these scumbags in prison, and incidentally with more privileges than any of us get in a lifetime.

It costs about 2000 pounds to rid us of the scum forever, its a no brainer.

get rid of them and the more painful and drawn out the better.

If you disagree with me have a look at your kids, nieces, nephews, grandkids, or even your neighbours or friends kids and tell me what you would do if it was one of them.

Incidentally child murders were lower when we had the death penalty.

so, yes bring it back, bring it back now and give me a call i will happily oblige.

[Big G The Villan]

Bring it back. I would happily end everyone who even has an evil thought about children life with my bare hands and would feel in the slightest bit guilty.

[cgale_825]

Yes the country would need a new public exocutioner as the Pierpoints are no more !

[Zero7]

20 years hard labour should do the trick, a nice slow painful death...

[DanEgan12345]

Part of me thinks a quick and easy death is not punishment enough for some people.

[levi_villa]

If your gona follow the yanks there's one big problem and that's how long they wait before they actully kill the person, It cost a stupid amount of tax payers money, so it's really pointless in killing them after they've spent 10-20 years on death row.

I think it's alot more complicated than saying yes let's just get rid of them

[towbartone]

Taking on Coins point about the times before we got embroiled in the red tape that surrounds the social services who, when things changed started to think that they ran the show.

One a job view, the other very personal.

In the early 70's the police would go to a job involving kids and make a judgement  based mainly on common sense, for instance, you tended to use your own life as a rule of thumb, would i have done that to my kids etc.

If a kid had got a smack on the legs for being naughty you would speak to them and invariably they would admit that they deserved it, but, you would still talk to the parent out of earshot of the kids.

A note would be made and sometimes the family would be put on the watch list, it worked well and although not infallable seemed a good system.

If it was a child abuse or even worse a murder the police took their own action, investigate, arrest, interview and charge, no one else was involved it was solely a police matter, you did whatever was necessary to bring the perpetrator to justice, and if that meant the scrote getting a roughing up so be it. The end justified the means.

Then it changed, we got the social services involved, they would be in your face making stupid reports if you spoke too loudly in the interview, they are taught to speak quietly and passively and se no wrong in anyone, there is always an excuse for the behaviour, living circumstances,poor upbringing,drugs,booze, shops were shut when they went for some fags, the kids wouldnt go to sleep etc etc, suddenly the criminal was given a whole range of reasons as to why he or she had killed and none of them were the facts.

A typical one was a man in our village, he was a part time fireman but was up to all sorts,always had money and flash cars, pumped the iron and a lot were afraid of him, his girlfriend (they are never married are they?) went out one night and left him with their ten year old daughter, nothing wrong just a bingo date with her mate, the girl suffered from a breathing disorder and during an attack "fell" downstairs and died, he called the police and ambulance TWO hours after it had happened , I attended with others, he had cleaned up and there was some washing on, nothing untoward particularly but the washing was early in its cycle and only had mens clothes in it.
I wasnt happy and neither was the forensic examiner, she could not have got the injuries she had and landed in the position she was in, he concluded that she had died from a blow to the back of her head but she had landed on her front as if she had dived down the stairs, there were no marks on the stairs and no blood on the walls, indicating that she had not hit anything on her way down.

We found a baseball bat upstairs which had been washed, cut and dried, he hit her,she fell down the stairs murder, right? wrong, the social services were involved with the family and had suspected him to be violent, but they did not tell the police because of client confidentiality. To make it worse this was a one way street, the police were obliged to pass info to them but not the other way round.

The social worker, amazingly reported that she didnt think that he was capable of murder or even a high level of assault.

A university grad DI  combined with the hand wringers and he was never charge through lack of evidence. Five years previous he would have been charged and convicted.

I lived in the village and although I was on traffic at the time it stuck with me, I knew and so did he, I mistakenly told him one day on one of the stops i did to search him for drugs that Iwould get him, he told his social worker, she reported it and I was warned off.

Then we had a breakthrough DNA testing came in, we still had the baseball bat, I, with the help of another real cop got the bat out of the stores and took for testing, i had no paperwork but managed to convince the forensic tech to do a test, we were all in the deep smelly sticky stuff by now, no offical paperwork from my inspector and a totally illegal test that revealed her blood on the baseball bat, we had him, five years too late but we had him, I arrested him and as the social services reports of complaint were being prepared he confessed and was charged, i was commended but warned as to my future conduct.

At the end of the court case i went to the girls grave in Hinckley and told her I was sorry it had taken so long but now she had her justice. but deep inside i know she didn't because although he is locked away, he is still alive and that little girl was robbed of her life.

Despite my best efforts the social worker was reprimanded and as far as i know is still there ruining peoples lives.

I am afraid that the liberalists have gotten their way and no one pays for the crime, no one even gets life, and if the judge says it should mean life there are 50 social working liberalists jumping straight in for the appeal.

I am afraid that this is the world we have allowed and we have to live with it.

but please give me the rope and I will make sure the last thing any child killer sees is the look on my face as I happily send him or her to hell.

I will put the personal story on later as I think this one is long enough.

[towbartone]

Levi,

I take your point on that but it would have to be as before, convict, appeal within a month, death, job done.

[levi_villa]

But then you would have innocent people being killed