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[platypus]

Royal Maker, those stats are from 1994 and from the US - I'd be interested to know how many of the 15 states used in the study have the death penalty!

[royal-maker]

platypus, on 01 November 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

Royal Maker, those stats are from 1994 and from the US - I'd be interested to know how many of the 15 states used in the study have the death penalty!

I know, I apologise for not being able to find more relevant statistics, but I think the point is still there. Maybe the figures are lower in Europe compared to the US, maybe the numbers have dropped since 1994, but I think it's still safe to say that this kind of thing does happen. Even if it's a case of 1 in every 1,000 murderers released will reoffend, well then that's 1 innocent life taken, 1 family destroyed, and in this case, I don't think the reoffender deserves another chance.

[platypus]

^^^ Hence, life without parole would be appropriate.

If you re-introduce the death penalty for one thing, then it's back. It's become an option. What's to stop its use being expanded? Many things can happen step-by-step, little-by-little, until the original intention has gone (look at the 'anti-terror' laws in the UK and how they're used by councils to justify surveillance on people claiming a false address to get their kids into a better school). That Pandora's box should stay firmly shut.

[towbartone]

I wonder how people feel today with the publishing of a report that suggests that there are thousands of young children being targetted and abused by Paedo gangs?

Perhaps it would be unfair of me to comment first because of my inside knowledge on the subject, some of you may be shocked as to what really goes on.

But you have your say first.

[A'Villan]

Well, I have not read these reports. It's disgusting though.

I have read some stuff recently, in relation to child abuse but mostly in relation to men in the current world. 1 in 6 people are sexually abused apparently and most likely from a man within their family/social group.
These men will have access to dozens of children over their career. I wont go on as the only experience I have are the pages from what I have read and, could be a little off track. I'm sure you will fill us in Tow.

I guess I decided to comment though because this book is written by a 'cardigan'. The book is called Manhood and it basically discusses the difficulties of being a man and all the craze and change of the family structure since the industrial revolution.
Amongst many other less confronting topics.

For me, it has provided a tonne more real perspective on these issues than has been provided thus far in this thread and, I'll repeat, it's written by a cardigan.

[towbartone]

This is long winded but shows what we are looking at.


At least 2,409 children were raped or abused by gangs or groups in England between August 2010 and October 2011, according to the Office of the Children's Commissioner.
Its interim report - the most in-depth investigation to date of child exploitation by gangs and groups in England - found a further 16,500 children were at "high risk" of abuse.
Deputy Children's Commissioner Sue Berelowitz told Sky News the figures were likely to be an "under-counting".
"Agencies across England are not sufficiently aware of the warning signs and they are not taking action to protect children," she said.
"There are, of course, some who are doing good work on this, but too many are not taking this seriously enough, which means some children are falling through the net.
"It's a very, very worrying situation. It's absolutely not good enough that there are children in need of protection and are not being protected."
Much of the evidence presented in the report is too harrowing and graphic to be reported here.
It comes just months after nine Asian men, who groomed white girls as young as 13 in Rochdale with drink and drugs, were jailed at Liverpool Crown Court.
But Ms Berelowitz insisted the scenario of Asian men targeting white girls was "just one of a number of models", and warned that if investigators concentrate on those patterns, victims could be missed.
White men form the largest group of perpetrators in gangs and groups, according to the report.
Some 28% of the victims brought to the attention of the inquiry were from black and ethnic minority backgrounds.
The report looks at the nature of sexual, physical and emotional abuse.
It also highlights the use of mobile phones, social networking sites and other forms of technology through which perpetrators groom, bully and pursue victims - and the impact of violent pornography.
The report authors say it is "clear that sexually exploited children are not always identified even when they show signs of being victims".
They are now calling for "urgent action" to make sure that all agencies are made explicitly aware of the warning signs of child exploitation, and act on them.
Those signs include children going missing, offending, drug and alcohol abuse, self-harming and mental health problems.
It is also encouraging agencies to share information and work together.
Councillor David Simmonds, chairman of the Local Government Association's children and young people board, said: "While these are uncomfortable lessons for the organisations tasked with looking after children, they will help to ensure improvements are put in place to better protect young people in future."
Andrew Flanagan, chief executive of the NSPCC, said: "This report quite clearly shows that the terrible problem of children being groomed for sexual abuse is widespread and needs urgent action to bring it to a halt.
"Sex offenders come from all backgrounds but, if there is a problem with one community in a particular area, we must be bold enough to address it and not just turn a blind eye."

[platypus]

It's horrific. What else is there say?

[A'Villan]

This thread came to mind, when reading this article.

http://www.guardian....P=SOCNETTXT6966

I know there are so many variables to consider on the issue of crime prevention, but I am amazed at how cold-blooded some of our "good" citizens can be when dealing with it.

[A'Villan]

Kristian Holmes is apparently going to serve 3.5 years, possibly 7 years I read. For graffiti.

Stuart Hall gets 15 months, could serve 7. For 14 sexual assaults on girls as young as 9.

What up justice!