This is what is KILLING football

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This is what is KILLING football

Postby TanserMan on Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:46 pm

Forget the fact that we have nurtured his talent and brought his game on leaps and bounds, if a player wants to move, there’s not much you can do.

Loyalty means nothing in today’s game or society, with everything driven by money and quick, easy success. I was hoping and praying that Milner would realise what we have done for him and quickly forget the riches he could make from jumping ship. All but a year ago, he was the perfect example of a player that was both professional and dedicated to progressing at club level, what has happened to this person?!

If anything now he should be biting the hand off Martin O’Neill for this new contract after making him the player he is, for beaming the player up to the heights of World Cup football and making him flourish in a position that is natural too him. What do we get? A player forcing a move to a team that is throwing money about to build a team of ego’s overnight and attempt to break into the top six.

How dare he force a move to such a club, maybe if he moved to a team like Chelsea, Arsenal or Manchester United it would be understandable? They have Champions League football, the best managers in football and play the sort of football Milner would fit into. Just where would Milner fit at City with Barry, De Jong, Johnson, Yaya Toure, Viera, Weiss, Phillips, Ireland and David Silva all vying for his position? The answer is he wouldn’t be guaranteed anything more than he would be getting at Villa and this more than anything angers me to the core.

I’m still hoping that this whole situation is proved to be made up and a fabrication by the media but the facts are Milner gave a cagey press conference that signalled nothing but disloyalty at the World Cup and has since kept silent. This does not sound like a player whose mind is firmly a villain and until I’m proved wrong, I think it’s disgusting that we as a club and fans are treated in this way.

If it is true and he has handed in a transfer request, I hope he is sold quickly, because although Milner has been absolutely fantastic for us, he is by no means irreplaceable. Get McGeady, Keane and Ireland, push Young up alongside a striker and watch a new phase of the team blossom and the seasonal renaissance start again.

This is why I have the upmost respect for Ashley Young, he knows he is learning alot from Martin and has progressed into an astute, albeit underrated, top class winger. Yet he knows he has alot to improve on and is aware he needs to step up a level next season, despite establishing himself as one of the best wingers in Europe.

Milner obviously has alot to learn.

 
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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby herman22 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:04 pm

Couldn't agree with you more! I'm happy this has come out early. Lets get the money and start making positive moves ourselves.
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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby gary shaws moustache on Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:56 pm

I love Aston Villa to the core,but you're mad if you think Citeh can't offer Milner more than we could. There a team taking on the world. It's also a lovely romantic notion that Young is staying for reasons more than nobody better than us wants him. I don't agree that the bitter pill would be easier to digest if he had decided to go to Chelsea or Man Utd. Why does that make any difference?

I think it grates on us the fact that City fans have had a massive piece of luck. The same sort of luck we had when Randy Learner took over. We've got a passionate Foreign Jewish bloke looking to make money the same way they've got a passionate foreign Muslim bloke looking to make money.

I'm as romantic about football as anyone and I'd love nothing more than to be sat in my beloved seat in The Trinity Road Stand surrounded by fellow brummies watching kids from the city of Birmingham come through the system, but it's never going to happen. We as a club are as plastic as anyone. I think I'm the only bloke where I sit with a brummie accent. We, as a club, jumped on money roller coaster along time ago and we're as much to blame for commercialising the game as anyone.

You're artical is childish and full of holes; Just like Birmingham City's defence next season. I hope!
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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby TanserMan on Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:13 pm

Just how can City offer him something better than we can?

If you see sitting on the bench and playing a fruitful number of games as progress than you are vastly mistaken. Just look at Barry, moved to City having had the accreditation of playing fantastic football for us, and thus he got into the England team as a result. Now when people refer to his England placement, it isn't because of his club form since moving, but for the reputation he built upon joining City. His club form for City was woefully under-par in comparison to what he used to do at Villa, did he improve when others thought he would? No.

If Milner moves, who knows what he is guaranteed?! You can't say it's a great move to a team that hasn't even got Champions League football, who can't guarantee him a game every week and a team that can't progress him other than financially.

I can take you calling me childish because that's your opinion, but name me one big move for a youngster that has paid off regardless of the club they've joined?! Take Chelsea as a prime example when they started spending money on everything with a heartbeat.

Milner is selling himself out, and in my opinion it's for one thing and that isn't progression at a new football club.

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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby pingjim on Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:32 pm

TanserMan wrote:I can take you calling me childish because that's your opinion, but name me one big move for a youngster that has paid off regardless of the club they've joined?!



Shhhhhhh, no one metion Rooney or Chris will have a dicky fit !!!!!




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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby TanserMan on Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:43 pm

But Rooney went to a club with GUARANTEED Champions League football and was given the chance to succeed.
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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby herman22 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:19 pm

I think in a way this is a measured attack on villa. Its not that they need Milner too badly. Its more they dont want us to have him! They did it last year too taking Lescott from Everton and Adabeyor from Aresnal.

I think also they realise they wont attract the huge names just yet but they are consolidating their place by hurting all the tams around them! IMO!!
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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby BobMarley1945-81 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:27 pm

Oi Milner
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Wow man this is like proper raving!!
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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby cgale_825 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:35 pm

herman22 wrote:I think in a way this is a measured attack on villa. Its not that they need Milner too badly. Its more they dont want us to have him! They did it last year too taking Lescott from Everton and Adabeyor from Aresnal.

I think also they realise they wont attract the huge names just yet but they are consolidating their place by hurting all the tams around them! IMO!!


very true ! which is why we should take them for every last penny we can !
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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby JC_VILLA789 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:42 pm

In my own, unimportant, irrelevant opinion: Ashley Young would do EXACTLY the same thing given half a chance. He just has not got the chance yet!

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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby pingjim on Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:15 pm

I believe he would too. Frankly I can't think of many players that wouldn't !!
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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby levi_villa on Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:30 pm

im sure if he said he wanted to leave teams would be quing up, but he wants to stay simple
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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby TanserMan on Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:32 pm

So the year before last when the club he supports ARSENAL we're supposedly interested in signing him after winning the PFA Young Player of the Year (Yep, just like Milner!), did he suddenly go upto O'Neill and demand a move to them?

No he did not, so why would you say he would do it now? He has had numerous chances to get exited and think he's god.... here let me refresh your memories....

Manchester City - http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/8 ... y-transfer

Liverpool - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... vival.html

These two were this season!

United and Spurs - http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co. ... ?a=7501552

Chelsea - http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 18,00.html

Barcelona - http://www.caughtoffside.com/2010/04/24 ... barcelona/

Real Madrid - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... Young.html


I'm sorry but saying he would leave if someone was sniffing, is not even justified because ever since we signed him, he's been linked with every Tom, Dick & Harry. If anyone should be unsettled and seeking a move by getting his head turned, it's Ashley Young.

I don't make points unless I feel they are relevant & hold some sort of substance.
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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby levi_villa on Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:34 pm

TanserMan wrote:So the year before last when the club he supports ARSENAL we're supposedly interested in signing him after winning the PFA Young Player of the Year (Yep, just like Milner!), did he suddenly go upto O'Neill and demand a move to them?

No he did not, so why would you say he would do it now? He has had numerous chances to get exited and think he's god.... here let me refresh your memories....

Manchester City - http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/8 ... y-transfer

Liverpool - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... vival.html

These two were this season!

United and Spurs - http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co. ... ?a=7501552

Chelsea - http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 18,00.html

Barcelona - http://www.caughtoffside.com/2010/04/24 ... barcelona/

Real Madrid - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... Young.html


I'm sorry but saying he would leave if someone was sniffing, is not even justified because ever since we signed him, he's been linked with every Tom, Dick & Harry. If anyone should be unsettled and seeking a move by getting his head turned, it's Ashley Young.

I don't make points unless I feel they are relevant & hold some sort of substance.


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Re: This is what is KILLING football

Postby pingjim on Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:52 pm

But none of those were solid concrete offers like we received from Citeh.

They are all paper speculation, just 99% of our own Transfers forum.

I'm speculating he would, your speculating he wouldn't. Until we see somthing from the OS rejecting a bid which starts the ball rolling, then it is all guess work !!

Personally, when a player of any club opens his gob, it means absolutley sod all, we just have to hope a player will stay and show some sort of loyalty. Doesn't happen very often though !
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